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So I've tried to work with the pure-CSS, never-use-tables-for-layout gospel, I really have. But after an incredible amount of pain and anguish, I'm just about ready to give up. I'm willing to go to some effort to accomplish things in CSS, don't get me wrong. But when it seems like some of the most asininely simple things that can be done with layout tables are utterly impossible in CSS, I don't care if conceptual purity really starts to take a beating.

Now, it probably seems like I'm angry, and I am; I'm angry about my wasted time, I'm angry about people coming out of QuarkXpress backgrounds handing me useless fixed-width designs, I'm angry about the failed promise of CSS. But I'm not trying to start an argument; I really do want to know the answer to one simple question that will determine whether I give the pure-CSS thing another try or lump it and use layout tables whenever I feel like it. Because I'd hate to go back to layout tables thinking that this thing is impossible if it's actually not.

The question is this: is there any way using pure-CSS layout to have a column on the left, which is fixed-width, and to the right of it place a data table, and have the data table neatly take up the remainder of whatever space is available? That is, the same layout which is easily achievable by having a two-cell layout table with width 100% and a fixed width on the left cell?

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<div style="width: 200px;background-color: #FFFFCC; float: left;">
Left column
</div>

<div style="margin-left: 200px; background-color: #CCFFFF">
Right column
</div>

That should do it (obviously implementation will vary based on where it is in the page, but I think that's the concept you're looking for).

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  • Ahh, beautiful. Between Scott Muc's link and this, every occasion seems to be covered. – chaos Jan 22 '09 at 16:01
  • Very interesting - I'd have guessed that the margin-left of the second div wouldn't be needed because it is the next div in order. Maybe that is what I was missing as well...gotta go try that! – Mark Brittingham Jan 22 '09 at 16:49
  • Yeah, the margin-left is the missing link for me. What I basically needed was a way of saying "width: 100%-200px". Apparently, margin-left is how you say that. Sort of. – chaos Jan 22 '09 at 17:21
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    Just remember that floats can become tough to manage when a page gets complex. There's nothing wrong with using tables for page layout, btw. – CLaRGe Apr 14 '09 at 22:32
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    Instead of the `margin-left: 200px` on the right column, you can apply `overflow: hidden` instead and it will create a new rendering context, which means it won't wrap around the left column. The advantage is that the left column width can change without having to adjust the margin for the right column to match it. – Andrew Vit Sep 29 '10 at 20:32
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Is this what you're looking for?

body {
  margin: 0;
  padding: 0;
  border: 0;
  overflow: hidden;
  height: 100%;
  max-height: 100%;
}
#framecontent {
  position: absolute;
  top: 0;
  bottom: 0;
  left: 0;
  width: 200px;
  /*Width of frame div*/
  height: 100%;
  overflow: hidden;
  /*Disable scrollbars. Set to "scroll" to enable*/
  background: navy;
  color: white;
}
#maincontent {
  position: fixed;
  top: 0;
  left: 200px;
  /*Set left value to WidthOfFrameDiv*/
  right: 0;
  bottom: 0;
  overflow: auto;
  background: #fff;
}
.innertube {
  margin: 15px;
  /*Margins for inner DIV inside each DIV (to provide padding)*/
}
* html body {
  /*IE6 hack*/
  padding: 0 0 0 200px;
  /*Set value to (0 0 0 WidthOfFrameDiv)*/
}
* html #maincontent {
  /*IE6 hack*/
  height: 100%;
  width: 100%;
}
<div id="framecontent">
    <div class="innertube">

      <h1>CSS Left Frame Layout</h1>
      <h3>Sample text here</h3>

    </div>
  </div>


  <div id="maincontent">
    <div class="innertube">

      <h1>Dynamic Drive CSS Library</h1>
      <p style="text-align: center">Credits: <a href="http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/">Dynamic Drive CSS Library</a>
      </p>

    </div>
  </div>

I feel your pain, but try not to look at it as time wasted. I'm sure you have a much better grasp of CSS than you previously did. Keep working with it and you'll start seeing the advantages. I personally have found CSS to be one of those things that takes a lot of practice to become proficient in. I've been using CSS based layouts for 5 years and I still learning interesting tricks everyday.

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  • Yes, it is. Thank you. :) Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-CSS, and I was a much earlier adopter of it than many people I work with. I see the advantages. Just need to get used to occasionally having to do radically unintuitive things to get results, like in your link. :) – chaos Jan 22 '09 at 15:27
  • And man, even this has issues. Semantic ones, to be precise; it requires the content column to come before the left column in the markup, so it's out of order for screen readers. – chaos Jan 22 '09 at 15:33
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    But this *is* a flaw in CSS. The fact that it's possible to learn to master it given enough time doesn't change that. Compare with learning GridBagLayout in Java (probably less than half a day) – finnw Apr 14 '09 at 22:44
  • Please include relevant information in the answer itself. The external resource might change or go offline. – Zeta Feb 25 '15 at 05:46
  • That's a very polite way to say CSS SUCKS! – Rodrigo Jun 05 '17 at 02:52
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I think this is what you're looking for:

<table style='width: 100%;'>
  <tr>
    <td style='width: 200px;'></td>
    <td></td>
  </tr>
</table>

Thank me later. =P

(I'm obviously joking.... kind of...)

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    +1 for being a smart *ss - oops, I mean realizing that you should do what works first, then think about purity of code. There's no point making your code CSS-beautiful if you miss deliverable dates. – paxdiablo Jan 22 '09 at 05:58
  • Hello from 2015! -1 Not enough CSS ;) Maybe you could update your answer and take advantage of its high position? – misterManSam Jun 11 '15 at 06:55
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To keep this question up-to-date, here are 5 ways you can achieve the same thing using both CSS2 and CSS3.


 

Example 1: Floats & Margin

This is the way it's been done for years: Simple and effective.

#example1 .fixedColumn {
    width: 180px;
    float: left;
    background-color: #FCC;
    padding: 10px;
}
#example1 .flexibleColumn {
    margin-left: 200px;
    background-color: #CFF;
    padding: 10px;
}
<div id="example1">

    <div class="fixedColumn">
        Fixed Column
    </div>
    <div class="flexibleColumn">
        Flexible Column
    </div>
    
</div>

 

Example 2: CSS calc();

calc() works from IE9 upwards although support on some versions of android's browser is a little flakey: http://caniuse.com/#feat=calc

#example2.calc {
    overflow: hidden;
}
#example2.calc .fixedColumn {
    width: 180px;
    float: left;   
    background-color: #FCC;
    padding: 10px; 
}
#example2.calc .flexibleColumn {
    width: calc(100% - 220px); /*200px for the fixed column and 20 for the left and right padding */
    float: left;  
    background-color: #CFF;
    padding: 10px;
}
<div id="example2" class="calc">
    
    <div class="fixedColumn">
        Fixed Column
    </div>
    <div class="flexibleColumn">
        Flexible Column
    </div>
    
</div>

 

Example 3: CSS Display as Table

#example3.table {
    display: table;   
    width: 100%;
}
#example3.table .fixedColumn {
    width: 180px;
    display: table-cell;   
    background-color: #FCC;
    padding: 10px;   
}
#example3.table .flexibleColumn {    
    display: table-cell; 
    background-color: #CFF;
    padding: 10px;  
}
<div id="example3" class="table">
    
    <div class="fixedColumn">
        Fixed Column
    </div>
    <div class="flexibleColumn">
        Flexible Column
    </div>
    
</div>

 

Example 4: CSS3 Flexbox

Flexbox has surprisingly good support across browsers: http://caniuse.com/#search=flex

#example4.flex {
    display: flex;
}
#example4.flex .fixedColumn {
    width: 180px;
    background-color: #FCC;
    padding: 10px;  
}
#example4.flex .flexibleColumn {
    flex: 1 100%;
    flex-basis: auto;
    background-color: #CFF;
    padding: 10px; 
}
<div id="example4" class="flex">
    
    <div class="fixedColumn">
        Fixed Column
    </div>
    <div class="flexibleColumn">
        Flexible Column
    </div>
    
</div>

 

Example 5: CSS3 Grid

At the moment the only browsers to support an implementation of CSS3's grid are IE10, IE11 and Edge (hence the -ms- browser prefixes) so make sure you view this in one of those otherwise it won't work correctly.

EDIT I've included the chrome experimental spec here which you can view by enabling the experimental features in Chrome which is detailed here.

http://caniuse.com/#search=grid

#example5.grid {
    display: -ms-grid;
    display: grid;
    -ms-grid-columns: 200px 1fr;
    -ms-grid-rows: auto;
    grid-template-columns: 200px 1fr;
    grid-template-rows: auto;
}
#example5.grid .fixedColumn {
    -ms-grid-column: 1;
    background-color: #FCC;
    padding: 10px;
}
#example5.grid .flexibleColumn {
    -ms-grid-column: 2;
    background-color: #CFF;
    padding: 10px;
}
<div id="example5" class="grid">
    
    <div class="fixedColumn">
        Fixed Column
    </div>
    <div class="flexibleColumn">
        Flexible Column
    </div>
    
</div>

Here's a codepen that features all 5 techniques:

2 Columns (1 Fixed, 1 Flexed) 5 different ways!

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First, I'd recommend Eric Meyer's CSS books as well as the CSS reference on the web: A List Apart. I use CSS extensively in my work and I think that I have gotten pretty good with it.

With all of that being said: do what works. I have been through exactly the pain that you've just experienced. In the end, I figured that it wasn't worth compromising my design just to be able to say that I hadn't used tables.

Remember: you aren't paid to do CSS - you are paid to write working software.

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  • @Mark Brittingham: regarding "A List Apart". Do you mean http://www.alistapart.com/topics/design/typography/ or http://www.alistapart.com/topics/code/css/ ? Can you recommend something in particular? – Peter Mortensen Jan 04 '10 at 22:44
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    Peter - the articles on A List Apart are often quite readable so I'll browse there looking for gems where I'll rarely do so on other sites. But if you are looking for something specific, they do have that ability to search on the site. Recommendations? Well, Ethan Marcotte's "Fluid Grids" was a good (and challenging) article for CSS geeks (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fluidgrids/). If you do much web design work, you will be a much better designer if you read Kevin Potts' "The Details That Matter" (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/the-details-that-matter/). How's that to start? – Mark Brittingham Jan 05 '10 at 01:26
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Something like this:

<div style="position: relative; width: 100%">
    <div style="position: absolute; left: 0; top: 0; width: 200px">
        left column
    </div>
    <div style="position: absolute; left: 200px; top: 0">
         other stuff
    </div>
</div>

Of course, you should probably put the styles in a separate stylesheet rather than inline. And a single fixed-width column on the left is fairly simple, but occasionally I do see other layouts which can be done easily with tables but are, as far as I know, fiendishly difficult with CSS.

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  • Nope. Right column gets minimum possible width, which data table inherits. Setting right column width to 100% gives it the entire width of the display area. No good. – chaos Jan 22 '09 at 15:29
  • Also - if anything follows this on the page then the height of the outer div will need to be fixed and have overflow:scroll/auto/hidden – Noel Walters Sep 30 '10 at 10:25
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You might want to try these:

http://www.alistapart.com/stories/practicalcss/

http://www.w3.org/2002/03/csslayout-howto

Here's why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design

http://davespicks.com/essays/notables.html

More HowTOs:

    div.row {
      clear: both;
      padding-top: 10px;
    }

    div.row span.label {
      float: left;
      width: 100px;
      text-align: right;
    }

    div.row span.formw {
      float: right;
      width: 335px;
      text-align: left;
    }


    <div style="width: 350px; background-color: #cc9;
      border: 1px dotted #333; padding: 5px;
      margin: 0px auto";>
      <form>
        <div class="row">
          <span class="label">Name:</span><span
            class="formw"><input type="text" size="25" /></span>
        </div>
        <div class="row">
          <span class="label">Age:</span><span
            class="formw"><input type="text" size="25" /></span>
        </div>
        <div class="row">
          <span class="label">Shoe size:</span><span
            class="formw"><input type="text" size="25" /></span>
        </div>
        <div class="row">
          <span class="label">Comments:</span><span
              class="formw">
            <textarea cols="25" rows="8">
            Go ahead - write something...
            </textarea>
          </span>
        </div>
        <div class="spacer">
          &nbsp;
        </div>
      </form>
    </div>
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I love how CSS still takes a full page of code to duplicate a couple lines of using a table.

After fighting the CSS war, I've come to the conclusion that "pure" is in the eye of the beholder and have moved to more of a "let's just use what works" approach.

Use CSS on what it's good for: making things look pretty. Use DIV's and SPAN's when you can. But if you find yourself spending a day trying to get things to line up right across all the different browser flavors, then slap a table in there and move on. Don't worry, contrary to what most people seem to think, a puppy will in fact not die.

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    In fact, if I'd wasted a day trying to get CSS working, I'd probably go out and kill a puppy, then revert to tables. So I'd suggest sticking with what you're comfortable with and saving the puppy that way. – paxdiablo Jan 22 '09 at 06:00
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There is almost certainly an answer that involves applying display:table and display:table-cell to the elements in question. Which is to say... no.

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